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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 13 @ 10:59 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Development Camp Wrapup, Homegrown Talent Depth
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 13 @ 11:05 AM ET
The farm system is much better than that of 2004 imo. Certainly the best since I've been following the team going back to the 90's
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 13 @ 11:06 AM ET
hi
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:09 AM ET
Its almost a shock to me that Strome's skating could be so bad considering he has 2 NHL caliber brothers who are both considered good skaters.

Hopefully this lights a fire under his butt to get to work, because he obviously has the hands and the size to be an NHL player.

If he gets the skating worked out he could be the steal of the draft.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:13 AM ET
Its almost a shock to me that Strome's skating could be so bad considering he has 2 NHL caliber brothers who are both considered good skaters.

Hopefully this lights a fire under his butt to get to work, because he obviously has the hands and the size to be an NHL player.

If he gets the skating worked out he could be the steal of the draft.

- MBFlyerfan


Skating was a knock on both Ryan and Dylan in their draft years, too, but not to the same degree as Matthew this season.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:16 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Development Camp Wrapup, Homegrown Talent Depth
- bmeltzer


Randy Bo-Bandy Jones was a quality defenseman
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:17 AM ET
The farm system is much better than that of 2004 imo. Certainly the best since I've been following the team going back to the 90's
- Just5


It may be better overall when you factor in players still in junior hockey as well as the ones with some pro experience at this point, but probably not deeper in pro-ready forwards already having AHL impact: Carter, Richards, Umberger, Sharp and, to a much lesser degree, Eager were a pretty formidable lot in terms of where they were in their development by the Calder Cup run.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 13 @ 11:20 AM ET
cheese and rice
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:21 AM ET
Randy Bo-Bandy Jones was a quality defenseman
- corduroy


He did OK for himself in the NHL so long as he was slotted properly in the rotation. Did well in 2007-08 as a third-pair guy. It was when he got extended from a 16-minute guy to an 18-to-20 minute player in tougher matchups that he got exposed. For a junior A/ college hockey guy who was never drafted, he put together a good career for himself. While with the Phantoms, he was very reliable.

Jones lacked a bit in the skating department and was just OK in his decision making, but he was serviceable with some puck skills.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:25 AM ET
has Stome worked with a skating coach in juniors?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:25 AM ET
ttt
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:25 AM ET
cheese and rice
- Streit2ThePoint


Cheese and onions... do I have to spell it out ?


Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:28 AM ET
Skating was a knock on both Ryan and Dylan in their draft years, too, but not to the same degree as Matthew this season.
- bmeltzer


This has always puzzled me. How does a guy who needs that much work with skating get drafted? There aren't other guys who skate better and have equal other skills? Those are probably a rhetorical questions because if there were guys like that, guys like Strome wouldn't get drafted. Still puzzles me, though.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:32 AM ET
Cheese and onions... do I have to spell it out ?



- bmeltzer


What the h-e-double-hockey-sticks did I just watch?

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 13 @ 11:37 AM ET
IMO, as someone who has followed the team since the mid 70s, this is the deepest the farm system has ever been.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 13 @ 11:38 AM ET
It may be better overall when you factor in players still in junior hockey as well as the ones with some pro experience at this point, but probably not deeper in pro-ready forwards already having AHL impact: Carter, Richards, Umberger, Sharp and, to a much lesser degree, Eager were a pretty formidable lot in terms of where they were in their development by the Calder Cup run.
- bmeltzer


Just comparing the forwards, I would agree, but when you add in the kids on D and having both Sandstrom and Hart in the goal pipeline, this group is the deepest.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 13 @ 11:43 AM ET
The cap benefits of stacking the team with young drafted players should become very apparent next season when Filppula, Read and the Umberger buyout come off the books. This 22 man roster doesn't even hit $63.5m.

Giroux ~ 8.275
Voracek ~ 8.25
MacDonald ~ 5
Lehtera ~ 4.7
Ghost ~ 4.5
Couturier ~ 4.33
Simmonds ~ 3.975
Gudas ~ 3.35
Elliott ~ 2.75
Neuvirth ~ 2.5
Raffl ~ 2.35
Weise ~ 2.35
Weal ~ 1.75
Morin ~ 1.5
Hagg ~ 1.5

Laughton ~ 0.9625
Lindblom ~ 0.925
Patrick ~ 0.925
Vecchione ~ 0.9
Konecny ~ 0.894
Provorov ~ 0.894
Sanheim ~ 0.863
TOTAL ~ 63.4435
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 13 @ 11:44 AM ET
hi
- Streit2ThePoint

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 13 @ 11:44 AM ET
The cap benefits of stacking the team with young drafted players should become very apparent next season when Filppula, Read and the Umberger buyout come off the books. This 22 man roster doesn't even hit $63.5m.

Giroux ~ 8.275
Voracek ~ 8.25
MacDonald ~ 5
Lehtera ~ 4.7
Ghost ~ 4.5
Couturier ~ 4.33
Simmonds ~ 3.975
Gudas ~ 3.35
Elliott ~ 2.75
Neuvirth ~ 2.5
Raffl ~ 2.35
Weise ~ 2.35
Weal ~ 1.75
Morin ~ 1.5
Hagg ~ 1.5

Laughton ~ 0.9625
Lindblom ~ 0.925
Patrick ~ 0.925
Vecchione ~ 0.9
Konecny ~ 0.894
Provorov ~ 0.894
Sanheim ~ 0.863
TOTAL ~ 63.4435

- Feanor

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 13 @ 11:47 AM ET
The cap benefits of stacking the team with young drafted players should become very apparent next season when Filppula, Read and the Umberger buyout come off the books. This 22 man roster doesn't even hit $63.5m.

TOTAL ~ 63.4435

- Feanor


Which is one of the reasons term is more important than AAV on this and next years signings
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 13 @ 11:49 AM ET
Cheese and onions... do I have to spell it out ?



- bmeltzer

"It's all in the mind"
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 13 @ 11:54 AM ET
Cheese and onions... do I have to spell it out ?



- bmeltzer



Music history's most legendary breakdown is at 2:30
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:55 AM ET
Which is one of the reasons term is more important than AAV on this and next years signings
- YuenglingJagr




FA FRENZY!!!!!!!



Just in time for Tavares to show us we are More..........

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 13 @ 11:56 AM ET
Which is one of the reasons term is more important than AAV on this and next years signings
- YuenglingJagr

Goes back to the Hartnell trade too. Hell, Lehtera's ~5 mil hit comes off in 2 seasons (I think), just in time for Provorov's extension
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 13 @ 11:57 AM ET
how involved are the flyers in getting Strome the help and coaching he needs to work on is skating? is it all on the player? Wouldn't the flyers want to hire the best to work with him?

I remember one summer Umberger worked with someone. He came back and it clearly showed his improvement
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